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Title: Spanish Tragedy
Post by ddspain on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:04am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23442018

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by ebrorob on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:56am

Just seen this on the TV news,how sad. :(

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Post by Ritaratbag on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:15am

Terrible, so may lives lost and many seriously injured aswell.
Our thoughts go out to the families and friends of people who were in this train accident.

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by Tony on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:50pm

So not only do they want to be up your backside whilst driving cars but they also want to do it whilst driving a train. The man should go to jail for the rest of his natural, if not garrotted. What is it about this nation and their devotion to speed ?

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Post by Nobrot on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:34pm

If I were you Tony I'd just stick to just driving on the roads then for the meanwhile.

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by cactus jack on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:00am

How much pressure was the driver put under by the rail bosses because if you are running late by 15 minutes then there are huge refunds to passengers. There always is two sides to a story. Neither story helps the dead or their relatives.........

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by Eddie_Torres on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 11:34am

wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

So not only do they want to be up your backside whilst driving cars but they also want to do it whilst driving a train.� The man should go to jail for the rest of his natural, if not garrotted.� What is it about this nation and their devotion to speed ?

You do realise they were still garotting people here in the mid 70's ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Puig_Antich

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by hivi on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 1:45pm

I am afraid it goes much further than just a matter of going too fast. It seems thet the dangwerous bends on the track could have easily avoided if the renfe had bought up the land needed to make a straight track,only that made it more expensive. apart from that they could have used the same system es on the barcelona-madrid line: automatic stopping or slowing down at dangerous situations along the line.So please do not condemn anybody until you know the whole truth.it is easy to say the spanish like driving too fast,I should like to hear that there is a country in which all the inhabitants drive according to the prescribed speed!!!!!

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by Tony on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

I am afraid it goes much further than just a matter of going too fast. It seems thet the dangwerous bends� on the track could have easily avoided if the renfe had bought up the land� needed to make a straight track,only that made� it more expensive. apart from that� they could have� used the� same system es on the barcelona-madrid line: automatic stopping� or slowing down at dangerous situations along the line.So please do not condemn anybody until you know the whole truth.it is easy to say the spanish like driving too fast,I should like to hear that there is a country in which all the inhabitants drive according to the� prescribed speed!!!!!

Then why the hell was he posting photos of himself driving trains too fast on Facebook ? That is not normal behaviour whatever the other factors involved may be. He was enjoying the speed and needed to brag about it. Well, this time it has backfired on him.

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by Pondgirl on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 4:29pm

Tony, the picture (singular) on his facebook page was taken 16 months ago and he is permitted to drive at that speed on certain parts of the track. Just saying.

He has now been formally accused of reckless homicide and has until Sunday to make a statement.

Without knowing what the black box recorded it's impossible to form a watertight opinion on what happened. He's an experienced driver and has apparently driven that route about sixty times. He would have been warned to start braking before the tunnel, about four km from the start of the 80 limit. He would have known exactly what speed he should have been going. So he either took his eye off of the ball (that would only be for a minute and a half at 190kph), thought he could handle the extra speed or there was a mechanical malfunction somewhere or a combination.

Title: Re: Spanish Tragedy
Post by hivi on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 4:30pm

sure it is very silly to brag on facebook.I hope I have not just insulted 99% of facebookusers in any case 2 wrongs donot make a right.all I am saying is that apart from the bragging all this could have been avoided if RENFE had been willing to invest more money when it built the track but of course right now it is easier to find the bragger guilty .if things had been done the right way no amount of bragging would have made the slightest difference as there would not have been an accident