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Reply #45 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 7:56pm
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Nen,  I cant understand why you cant get a cedula for  residential vivienda on urban land - esp since it was built almost 40 years ago.  As I said, I got one for a house built 90 years ago - only last september! It beggars belief!
  
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Reply #46 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 8:14pm
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Nen,  I cant understand why you cant get a cedula for  residential vivienda on urban land - esp since it was built almost 40 years ago.  As I said, I got one for a house built 90 years ago - only last september! It beggars belief!

yes i know HOW DAFT CAN IT GET i contacted itv homes from hell they replyed and are going to email me as soon as they can  Smileylets see what they can make off it all
  
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Reply #47 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 11:57am
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JamJarChris wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:08am:
Good news - I think.

Some friends of ours finally received their cedula yesterday.

So there is a way - it is just finding it that is the trick


Merriman:
Could you give more details please.  Unfortunately there's no trick.  Unless the house AND land are urbanised or it has an original building license (this is not the same as a Declaracion de Obra Nueva) cedula's are still not being issued.  In fact the town halls are still waiting for instructions from Habitatge as to how to proceed with the issue of initial certificates that are then sent to Habitatge with the cedula de habitabilidad application.  These instructions were due at the end of June following the API/Carme Trilla meeting, but it's been 'manana' ever since.

Unfortunately I don't think this is what it seems, unless they have an original building license. It may be that they have the initial certificate (also called a cedula, but not a cedula de habitabilidad) from the town hall.



Will be seeing them later this weekend so will ask. As I understand it, A Spanish Architect was involved, and a sum of money (but not huge).

It is a vivienda which is in el campo, but... not sure if urbanised in any weird way.

Will ask about building licence - I agree that it does not appear correct, but they are very pleased to finally have a cedula after a long wait.

Hope that it is all pukka.
  

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Reply #48 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 2:35pm
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JamJarChris wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:08am:
Good news - I think.

Some friends of ours finally received their cedula yesterday.

So there is a way - it is just finding it that is the trick


Merriman:
Could you give more details please.  Unfortunately there's no trick.  Unless the house AND land are urbanised or it has an original building license (this is not the same as a Declaracion de Obra Nueva) cedula's are still not being issued.  In fact the town halls are still waiting for instructions from Habitatge as to how to proceed with the issue of initial certificates that are then sent to Habitatge with the cedula de habitabilidad application.  These instructions were due at the end of June following the API/Carme Trilla meeting, but it's been 'manana' ever since.

Unfortunately I don't think this is what it seems, unless they have an original building license. It may be that they have the initial certificate (also called a cedula, but not a cedula de habitabilidad) from the town hall.

GREG this is very confusing,we have a vivienda uso residencial sitting on urbano land it was built in the 70s it must have had a building licence as it is legal (but we were not given it when we got the deeds )and we have payed taxs on the house from when we bought it in 1994 .we are told we cant get a cedula de habitabilidad its all so mixed up.we have a letter from MINISTERIO DE ECONOMICA Y HACIENDA DATED 03/04/2008 confirming what we have and still cant get one crazy or what Undecided


Hi nen,

The whole thing is crazy but unfortunately the law changed last November and since then no cedula's have been issued for rural properties.

Although you have a vivienda sitting on urban land, if the land surrounding the house is rustic then the house is still termed as rustic.  Our house is also 'urban' in that the footprint of the house is listed as urban on the catastral, however the surrounding land is rustic and this is where the problem lies with the new law.

However there is one ray of hope for any rustic property that can be proved to have been built before 11 August 1984.  There is now authority to issue cedula's for these properties but town hall's are still waiting for clarification from habitatge as to what documentation they need to issue.  This clarification was due at the end of June but it still hasn't been issued and until it is the town halls cannot issue the document needed for the cedula application to be submitted.

You are probably in a good position if you can prove your house was built before 1984 but until habitatge issue the guidelines for town hall's nothing can be done.

I hope this helps.
  
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Reply #49 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 2:50pm
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JamJarChris wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:08am:
Good news - I think.

Some friends of ours finally received their cedula yesterday.

So there is a way - it is just finding it that is the trick


Merriman:
Could you give more details please.  Unfortunately there's no trick.  Unless the house AND land are urbanised or it has an original building license (this is not the same as a Declaracion de Obra Nueva) cedula's are still not being issued.  In fact the town halls are still waiting for instructions from Habitatge as to how to proceed with the issue of initial certificates that are then sent to Habitatge with the cedula de habitabilidad application.  These instructions were due at the end of June following the API/Carme Trilla meeting, but it's been 'manana' ever since.

Unfortunately I don't think this is what it seems, unless they have an original building license. It may be that they have the initial certificate (also called a cedula, but not a cedula de habitabilidad) from the town hall.

GREG this is very confusing,we have a vivienda uso residencial sitting on urbano land it was built in the 70s it must have had a building licence as it is legal (but we were not given it when we got the deeds )and we have payed taxs on the house from when we bought it in 1994 .we are told we cant get a cedula de habitabilidad its all so mixed up.we have a letter from MINISTERIO DE ECONOMICA Y HACIENDA DATED 03/04/2008 confirming what we have and still cant get one crazy or what Undecided


Hi nen,

The whole thing is crazy but unfortunately the law changed last November and since then no cedula's have been issued for rural properties.

Although you have a vivienda sitting on urban land, if the land surrounding the house is rustic then the house is still termed as rustic.  Our house is also 'urban' in that the footprint of the house is listed as urban on the catastral, however the surrounding land is rustic and this is where the problem lies with the new law.

However there is one ray of hope for any rustic property that can be proved to have been built before 11 August 1984.  There is now authority to issue cedula's for these properties but town hall's are still waiting for clarification from habitatge as to what documentation they need to issue.  This clarification was due at the end of June but it still hasn't been issued and until it is the town halls cannot issue the document needed for the cedula application to be submitted.

You are probably in a good position if you can prove your house was built before 1984 but until habitatge issue the guidelines for town hall's nothing can be done.

I hope this helps.

thank you GREG lets hope it sorts its self out soon
  
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Reply #50 - Jul 11th, 2010 at 6:25pm
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i have also contacted itv homes from hell about my situation with the dodgy estate agent and my illegal build in the ebro valley that i was told would be ok to build, coincidentally which was built by the estate agents partner,the land also was previously owned by said agent.
my story would make for some interesting television thats for sure,i have already had a reply back from the tv company about my story,
its about time the dodgy dealings in that area were exposed,the more people that contact them the better chance we have of getting some airplay,they seem keen .
  
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Reply #51 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 8:26pm
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Anyone unsure if you are able to get a cedula,
contact Sergi Bertomeu Fava, who is an architect, and who speaks perfect English.
Tel: 666462309
He will visit your property, check through paperwork, etc.  and advise you accordingly.
There are two offices one in the Generalitat, Tortosa and one in Miami Playa.
  
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Reply #52 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 9:41pm
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Ritaratbag:   why pay someone to tell you that you cannot get a cedula until habitatge has released terms and conditions to the town halls?
  
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Reply #53 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:03pm
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It would be a good idea if the TV company came out to the village with all the problems (I am sure we all know which village it is)and take a look at all the houses/almacens that have been built over the last 5 years, with the then Mayors permission - all illegal - but Urbanismo seem to have blinkers on when coming to inspect the few properties they have decided to prosecute.  If Homes from Hell get back in touch with you make sure you tell them about UTube where they can see part of the video with the private detectives and the then Mayor.
  
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Reply #54 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:57pm
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hi,yes mine was built near that village with the permissions from the town hall,the mayor even came out to the land before i actually signed for it and reassured me all was well otherwise i would have run a mile,what a disaster that has been for the last 4 yrs,and still no progress ,i will be dead and gone before anything happens with that and i am still only in my forties,i worked for yrs to pay for my nightmare in the sun.
  
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Reply #55 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:56am
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I met a couple at the weekend, who actually got a cedula at the end of last week.
Therefore it may be possible to obtain one, depending on several things. ie. where the property is, urban etc. etc.
I gave an architect's name and telephone number on here, who
could maybe help you, and then let you decide whether it is worth spending money and time to obtain the cedula.
  
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Reply #56 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:01am
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We are also in that village, we did not leave our brains at the airport like a lot of people think.  We bought off an Agent that was born and bred in the village, not someone that was going to disappear overnight, we did not ask the man behind the bar if it was ok to build we got permission from the Mayor (who is the Catalan government representative) we were told that what the agent was telling us was all correct.  The agent even walked the land and suggested where the best place on the land to build a HOUSE not a barn. If they had explained that we could only get a licence for a barn they naturally we would not have bought the land but that would have been no comission for him.  I believe they are still telling everyone that by the end of the year all will be well in the village as the ex Mayor will again be in office and land sales etc will be up and running again!!!!!!!  But if you check the local Ajuntament posting on the internet you will see they are still cancelling peoples licences that were issued by the previous mayor.  It would be internesting to know just how many thousand euros of Brits money has gone into that village, have you noticed over the years how many locals have new vehicles and renovated houses.
  
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Reply #57 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:29am
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hi eden,what happened to you is pretty much exactly what happened to me,but the estate agent was from further down the ebro,i think the agents much use the same spiel ,they probably all went to the same acadamy of bu****it,the previous owner of one of my pieces of land was seen running around the village on a new scooter a few days after i bought the land! for sure we were all taken for suckers ! their not laughing now though as they cant sell their expensive plots of land because of all the nonsense that has gone on, no more new scooters!
  
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Reply #58 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:32am
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Why is no one allowed to say the name of the village,which has the now illegal built houses,allthough there must be numerous villages in the area with the same problem ?
I was also told the same story,probably by the same local born and bred Estate agent,who still insists today that it will be possible to obtain the necessary building permission.
She has done so herself,on local Rural land,with NO apparent problem and certainly not the nightmare everyone else seems to have purchased !
  
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Reply #59 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:17am
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To fatphil - sorry cannot be same Agent mine is a he not a she.
  
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